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		<title>By: Stuart Reeve</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesthigpen.com/blog/2007/10/22/carbonite-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-13526</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Reeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey all,

There is actually a work around for backing up external drives with Carbonit - you just need to map them through an internal drive. I&#039;ve tried this out and it does work.

I got a free year&#039;s subscription to Carbonite with my LaCie external hard drive, which DOES let me back up external drives. This expires in a few weeks - I&#039;m wondering what is going to happen if I renew it? Will I still be able to back up my external drives I wonder?</description>
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<p>There is actually a work around for backing up external drives with Carbonit &#8211; you just need to map them through an internal drive. I&#8217;ve tried this out and it does work.</p>
<p>I got a free year&#8217;s subscription to Carbonite with my LaCie external hard drive, which DOES let me back up external drives. This expires in a few weeks &#8211; I&#8217;m wondering what is going to happen if I renew it? Will I still be able to back up my external drives I wonder?</p>
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		<title>By: Deane Draper</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesthigpen.com/blog/2007/10/22/carbonite-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-11726</link>
		<dc:creator>Deane Draper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I to have been duped by Carbonite. I signed up because of the endorsement of Kim Komando and then after laying down my $55 bucks found out that my external drive, holding my music which is WHY I paid for it, is not able to be backed up. I contacted their &quot;online support&quot; and the &quot;rep&quot; seemed to be an automated response routine that didn&#039;t respond to my questions.

I would have paid even more for this &quot;plus&quot; service but I don&#039;t even see it on their site. I won&#039;t use them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I to have been duped by Carbonite. I signed up because of the endorsement of Kim Komando and then after laying down my $55 bucks found out that my external drive, holding my music which is WHY I paid for it, is not able to be backed up. I contacted their &#8220;online support&#8221; and the &#8220;rep&#8221; seemed to be an automated response routine that didn&#8217;t respond to my questions.</p>
<p>I would have paid even more for this &#8220;plus&#8221; service but I don&#8217;t even see it on their site. I won&#8217;t use them again.</p>
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		<title>By: Carbonite: I&#8217;ll check back in a couple of years</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesthigpen.com/blog/2007/10/22/carbonite-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-6359</link>
		<dc:creator>Carbonite: I&#8217;ll check back in a couple of years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that I searched the web to confirm it. My first confirmation was from this 2007 blog post comment (Carbonite: FAIL, Mozy: ON NOTICE) by the (then?) CEO of Carbonite: David Friend [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that I searched the web to confirm it. My first confirmation was from this 2007 blog post comment (Carbonite: FAIL, Mozy: ON NOTICE) by the (then?) CEO of Carbonite: David Friend [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Thigpen</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesthigpen.com/blog/2007/10/22/carbonite-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3475</link>
		<dc:creator>James Thigpen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow that seems pretty failuretastic. It&#039;s unfortunate that they don&#039;t send up more warnings when it fails to backup a pst file.  It&#039;s kind of an important thing to back up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow that seems pretty failuretastic. It&#8217;s unfortunate that they don&#8217;t send up more warnings when it fails to backup a pst file.  It&#8217;s kind of an important thing to back up.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally got to speak to someone at Carbonite, and found out a bit more. At the risk of boring to death anyone who has already given up on Carbonite, I hope the following helps anyone who has experienced the same disaster, especially as this blog comes up if you Google the problem.

Firstly the Carbonite email support system seems unreliable when initiated from the Infocenter control panel...I had sent email support requests and an online chat request many times over past days. They say they can see no record of that. The only email they have found of mine is a bitter complaint I sent to their CEO&#039;s email address, directly out of Outlook. Seems to me that clicking on the email support button on the Infocenter doesn&#039;t gurantee your message goes anywhere...but message I sent from Outlook to customersupport@carbonite.com seemed to go through. So I suggest that you use your email program to initiate the email, not their button, and if you don&#039;t get a prompt answer, call their phone support line and insist on getting some free assistance on the spot.

Transfer of the .pst file is apparently a delicate operation, easily upset by connection glitches, and if interrupted the process starts again from the beginning. They recommend recovery of .pst file should be done with PC directly wired to router, not over wireless connection.

Also make sure that power options are set so that sleep or auto shutdown of the PC is cancelled. And turn off auto Windows updates so that there is no risk of PC shutting down and restarting itself when you aren&#039;t around.

The file is sent in parts. My 1 gb .pst file is about 560 parts and in the end it took about 44 hours to restore.

Once you start to restore the .pst file you need to check that it does actually start tranferring...that seemed to be the problem with my numerous first attempts. You can check this in the file carbonite.log. 

When the file starts to transfer it creates a temp file in the destination folder which shows as containing 0 kb. This doesn&#039;t necessarily indicate anything useful...you need to look at the file Carbonite.log, which on my Vista laptop is at C:\ProgramData\Carbonite\Carbonite Backup, file name Carbonite.log. Scroll to the bottom of the log and if the restore has started, you should be able to see lines which say something like &quot;@ GetFile: Restored part 1 of 569 of file&quot;...the part number will change as it downloads more parts. (In between each of these progress lines there is a couple of lines of other stuff.) 

The log does not update itself once the log is open...ie if you want to see if it has progressed 5 minutes later, close the log and open it again, the log text will have refreshed with more info at bottom of the page, hopefully showing that more parts have been sent. 

If it is not showing any sign of starting, cancel the restore and try again.

Once the restore starts, it seems quite fragile. Keep checking the log to make sure it&#039;s still coming. It took me several attempts...on the first attempt I was hit by a short internet outage in my area, so I had to start a fresh restore...5 hours down the drain. On my second attempt I had the temerity to plug a USB memory key into the laptop...that caused a crash...another 7 hours wasted. It seems to not pick up restoring a .pst file from where it left off (as it does with other file and folder restores)...it usually just starts from the beginning again! However on my final successful attempt, I did experience a shutdown after only about 10 of the 560 parts had been transmitted and slightly to my surprise it did manage to pick up again and continue restoring from that point.

The information you get in the Infocentre is not reliable either...eg if you click to &quot;cancel a restore in progress&quot;  it doesn&#039;t always seem to respond, no matter how many times you click it....still shows the file as restoring, and the &quot;View file recovery log&quot; still shows a file restore pending. And if you view the carbonite.log file, you usually discover it has ignored your &quot;cancel&quot; request and the restore is still underway! The only way to get the Infocentre to display accurate info sometimes seems to be to restart the PC...then when you view Infocentre again you find out whether or not is has responded to your requests.

Similarly the information from their support desk is not always reliable. At one point, after my PC had been in &quot;recover&quot; mode for 6 days straight, they told me that from their monitoring of my account it seemed my PC was in &quot;backup&quot; mode instead. I double checked and no, I was definitely in recover mode and indeed at that point was restoring files.

When I weigh it all up, Carbonite seems to be OK for backing up most file types but for .pst files and possibly some other types, it&#039;s a waste of time. Waiting nearly two days for a single file to restore and hoping that your PC and connection don&#039;t introduce some minor interruption in all that time is not a practical solution in my opinion. In the future, I&#039;ll be using Carbonite as a back up for minor file losses but I&#039;ll be using a more reliable solution for major backups.

And if .pst files are a especially tricky to restore it&#039;s a shame that they don&#039;t provide any info on .pst problems on their FAQs...would have saved me a lot of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally got to speak to someone at Carbonite, and found out a bit more. At the risk of boring to death anyone who has already given up on Carbonite, I hope the following helps anyone who has experienced the same disaster, especially as this blog comes up if you Google the problem.</p>
<p>Firstly the Carbonite email support system seems unreliable when initiated from the Infocenter control panel&#8230;I had sent email support requests and an online chat request many times over past days. They say they can see no record of that. The only email they have found of mine is a bitter complaint I sent to their CEO&#8217;s email address, directly out of Outlook. Seems to me that clicking on the email support button on the Infocenter doesn&#8217;t gurantee your message goes anywhere&#8230;but message I sent from Outlook to <a href="mailto:customersupport@carbonite.com">customersupport@carbonite.com</a> seemed to go through. So I suggest that you use your email program to initiate the email, not their button, and if you don&#8217;t get a prompt answer, call their phone support line and insist on getting some free assistance on the spot.</p>
<p>Transfer of the .pst file is apparently a delicate operation, easily upset by connection glitches, and if interrupted the process starts again from the beginning. They recommend recovery of .pst file should be done with PC directly wired to router, not over wireless connection.</p>
<p>Also make sure that power options are set so that sleep or auto shutdown of the PC is cancelled. And turn off auto Windows updates so that there is no risk of PC shutting down and restarting itself when you aren&#8217;t around.</p>
<p>The file is sent in parts. My 1 gb .pst file is about 560 parts and in the end it took about 44 hours to restore.</p>
<p>Once you start to restore the .pst file you need to check that it does actually start tranferring&#8230;that seemed to be the problem with my numerous first attempts. You can check this in the file carbonite.log. </p>
<p>When the file starts to transfer it creates a temp file in the destination folder which shows as containing 0 kb. This doesn&#8217;t necessarily indicate anything useful&#8230;you need to look at the file Carbonite.log, which on my Vista laptop is at C:\ProgramData\Carbonite\Carbonite Backup, file name Carbonite.log. Scroll to the bottom of the log and if the restore has started, you should be able to see lines which say something like &#8220;@ GetFile: Restored part 1 of 569 of file&#8221;&#8230;the part number will change as it downloads more parts. (In between each of these progress lines there is a couple of lines of other stuff.) </p>
<p>The log does not update itself once the log is open&#8230;ie if you want to see if it has progressed 5 minutes later, close the log and open it again, the log text will have refreshed with more info at bottom of the page, hopefully showing that more parts have been sent. </p>
<p>If it is not showing any sign of starting, cancel the restore and try again.</p>
<p>Once the restore starts, it seems quite fragile. Keep checking the log to make sure it&#8217;s still coming. It took me several attempts&#8230;on the first attempt I was hit by a short internet outage in my area, so I had to start a fresh restore&#8230;5 hours down the drain. On my second attempt I had the temerity to plug a USB memory key into the laptop&#8230;that caused a crash&#8230;another 7 hours wasted. It seems to not pick up restoring a .pst file from where it left off (as it does with other file and folder restores)&#8230;it usually just starts from the beginning again! However on my final successful attempt, I did experience a shutdown after only about 10 of the 560 parts had been transmitted and slightly to my surprise it did manage to pick up again and continue restoring from that point.</p>
<p>The information you get in the Infocentre is not reliable either&#8230;eg if you click to &#8220;cancel a restore in progress&#8221;  it doesn&#8217;t always seem to respond, no matter how many times you click it&#8230;.still shows the file as restoring, and the &#8220;View file recovery log&#8221; still shows a file restore pending. And if you view the carbonite.log file, you usually discover it has ignored your &#8220;cancel&#8221; request and the restore is still underway! The only way to get the Infocentre to display accurate info sometimes seems to be to restart the PC&#8230;then when you view Infocentre again you find out whether or not is has responded to your requests.</p>
<p>Similarly the information from their support desk is not always reliable. At one point, after my PC had been in &#8220;recover&#8221; mode for 6 days straight, they told me that from their monitoring of my account it seemed my PC was in &#8220;backup&#8221; mode instead. I double checked and no, I was definitely in recover mode and indeed at that point was restoring files.</p>
<p>When I weigh it all up, Carbonite seems to be OK for backing up most file types but for .pst files and possibly some other types, it&#8217;s a waste of time. Waiting nearly two days for a single file to restore and hoping that your PC and connection don&#8217;t introduce some minor interruption in all that time is not a practical solution in my opinion. In the future, I&#8217;ll be using Carbonite as a back up for minor file losses but I&#8217;ll be using a more reliable solution for major backups.</p>
<p>And if .pst files are a especially tricky to restore it&#8217;s a shame that they don&#8217;t provide any info on .pst problems on their FAQs&#8230;would have saved me a lot of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter G</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesthigpen.com/blog/2007/10/22/carbonite-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3432</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The situation with Carbonite doesn&#039;t seem to have improved. I have had to recover a lot of data after an OS failure, and restored most of my data files  OK except for .pst file, which refuses to come down the line. Have tried a lot of things eg connecting direct to router, disabled firewall etc, but even after a day or so no result. Requests to chat online to tech help are ignored and emails sent to help desk are never answered...in fact if I try to send another email I get an auto response that my previous request for help has not been sent to support desk yet and if I want to proceed with another help request it will wipe out the request I last made.  Absolutely no mention of .pst file problems on their FAQs, even though it seems to be quite a problem. 

I find it hard to believe they seriously expect people to recommend Carbonite to a friend when their support service is non-existent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation with Carbonite doesn&#8217;t seem to have improved. I have had to recover a lot of data after an OS failure, and restored most of my data files  OK except for .pst file, which refuses to come down the line. Have tried a lot of things eg connecting direct to router, disabled firewall etc, but even after a day or so no result. Requests to chat online to tech help are ignored and emails sent to help desk are never answered&#8230;in fact if I try to send another email I get an auto response that my previous request for help has not been sent to support desk yet and if I want to proceed with another help request it will wipe out the request I last made.  Absolutely no mention of .pst file problems on their FAQs, even though it seems to be quite a problem. </p>
<p>I find it hard to believe they seriously expect people to recommend Carbonite to a friend when their support service is non-existent.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesthigpen.com/blog/2007/10/22/carbonite-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-3099</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 06:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wished I&#039;d seen this thread before I had my own lousy carbonite experience. I was somewhat lucky in that I got most of my files---but it was unable to restore my .pst file. I&#039;ve lost track of the numbers of emails (several unanswered) and chats with the limited tech support. I had an excellent experience last year with carbonite--it restored everything after my hard drive failure so I didn&#039;t worry. This time around it&#039;s awful.  I checked out Mozy but decided to go with Keepit (as well as do  my own backups--once bitten....). Keepit has a great user interface--I&#039;ll restore my system from Keepit onto my new computer when it arrives and will let you all know what that experience has been like. I will keep trying to work with Carbonite to get the .pst file back...but I&#039;m not optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wished I&#8217;d seen this thread before I had my own lousy carbonite experience. I was somewhat lucky in that I got most of my files&#8212;but it was unable to restore my .pst file. I&#8217;ve lost track of the numbers of emails (several unanswered) and chats with the limited tech support. I had an excellent experience last year with carbonite&#8211;it restored everything after my hard drive failure so I didn&#8217;t worry. This time around it&#8217;s awful.  I checked out Mozy but decided to go with Keepit (as well as do  my own backups&#8211;once bitten&#8230;.). Keepit has a great user interface&#8211;I&#8217;ll restore my system from Keepit onto my new computer when it arrives and will let you all know what that experience has been like. I will keep trying to work with Carbonite to get the .pst file back&#8230;but I&#8217;m not optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Fuad Arshad</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesthigpen.com/blog/2007/10/22/carbonite-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-2555</link>
		<dc:creator>Fuad Arshad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad i caught up with this thread. Carbonite is being cancelled immediately atleast mozy has emc on its back now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad i caught up with this thread. Carbonite is being cancelled immediately atleast mozy has emc on its back now</p>
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		<title>By: Utah SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesthigpen.com/blog/2007/10/22/carbonite-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator>Utah SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried out Mozy but I run a home based business and their business rates were too expensive. I canceled and am trying out Carbonite and have run into the same problem of not being able to backup external drives. Annoying. Seems like somebody else could come out and copy the business model of these two guys but give us what we want and have a nice little business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried out Mozy but I run a home based business and their business rates were too expensive. I canceled and am trying out Carbonite and have run into the same problem of not being able to backup external drives. Annoying. Seems like somebody else could come out and copy the business model of these two guys but give us what we want and have a nice little business.</p>
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		<title>By: James Thigpen</title>
		<link>http://www.jamesthigpen.com/blog/2007/10/22/carbonite-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>James Thigpen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Elle:

That sounds pretty horrible.  Unfortunately I don&#039;t have many suggestions for you, after signing up with mozy, I haven&#039;t looked back and don&#039;t know anyone/anything about carbonite these days.

Good luck to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Elle:</p>
<p>That sounds pretty horrible.  Unfortunately I don&#8217;t have many suggestions for you, after signing up with mozy, I haven&#8217;t looked back and don&#8217;t know anyone/anything about carbonite these days.</p>
<p>Good luck to you.</p>
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